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Nuveen has an uncommon multibillion-dollar inflation hedge. CEO Jose Minaya explains

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There are conventional methods to hedge towards inflation — issues like gold and TIPS (Treasury inflation-protected securities). There are newer approaches; crypto advocates say bitcoin falls into that camp. However maybe an surprising strategy to hedge towards inflation and volatility is investing in farmland. 

Jose Minaya is the CEO of Nuveen, a division of TIAA, and he is hoping to reap positive aspects from investing in agriculture belongings. Right here he’s, in dialog with Leslie Picker. 

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Leslie Picker: We have seen some fairly scary inflation readings recently. How does farmland play into that?

Jose Minaya: , that is sort of a part of the important thing cause we invested within the asset class. I feel once we began taking a look at pure sources, the concept was, properly, how do we offer higher diversification for our personal portfolio, trying to get higher publicity to volatility or shield ourselves towards volatility, after which inflation was a key a part of simply assuming, sooner or later sooner or later, we will probably be experiencing larger ranges of inflation. How is our portfolio protected towards that? And farmland is an asset class that we felt does each on the volatility aspect and the inflation aspect, as a result of what attracted us to farmland and what drives the correlation traits is that each demand aspect is inelastic by way of folks must eat and the availability aspect is inelastic in that they don’t seem to be making any extra land around the globe. And if something, we’ve got a discount in land given what’s occurring from an environmental perspective. And it is a commodity that’s producing on the finish of the day, which is very correlated to inflation.

Picker: Having a look on the returns on a risk-return foundation, farmland has outperformed many different asset lessons, most different asset lessons actually, together with indexes just like the S&P and gold and Treasurys over the past 50 years or so. If that is the case, why aren’t there extra funds and extra belongings behind this? It is my understanding that solely about 80% of farmland has been institutionalized at this level. What do you suppose are a number of the key hurdles?

Minaya: Effectively, if you concentrate on farmland on a worldwide foundation, I’d say properly over 90% of it’s nonetheless within the arms of people and households. So it is an asset class that’s nonetheless very nascent by way of its entry to capital markets. I all the time evaluate it to actual property – we’re a big actual property investor as properly – you return 100 years, it was largely within the arms of personal traders, proper? And also you constructed a constructing otherwise you constructed actual property as a result of it’s good to put folks in it. At present, it is acquired much more entry to capital markets, you may get public publicity to actual property. That is sort of the place I consider the trail goes for farmland. That institutional possession has elevated, I feel considerably over the past decade, but it’s nonetheless just about in personal arms. So a way more inefficient market from a capital markets perspective, however once more, in there lies a variety of alpha for us. It is why we like asset lessons that aren’t as environment friendly and we are able to drive extra returns given the danger we’re taking.

Picker: You talked about briefly that the footprint of farmland itself is shrinking as a result of local weather change. I imply, we hear every single day on the information fires, destroying vineyards, floods, destroying farms, sizzling temperatures, robust storms, droughts. I imply, does not all of that concern you as you set a lot cash behind this asset class? I imply, this asset class is altering dramatically by the 12 months.

Minaya: I feel it is the No. 1 danger issue that we have a look at in farmland. One of many issues for us once we determined, properly, we’re investing in farmland, the place are we investing it? The primary one was [from a food] safety perspective. We needed to spend money on the main grain exporting areas around the globe – the U.S., Brazil, Australia, components of central Japanese Europe. Once more, we do not need to take care of meals safety points, we need to take care of the areas which can be producing to feed your complete planet. The opposite piece that basically ties into farmland is water and there is completely different danger profiles. You may go to locations which have a well-established profile for having water. These returns are going to be so much decrease. You may produce other locations which can be extra uncovered to floods at occasions, to droughts, to fires. These are going to doubtlessly be larger return for decrease danger. For us, we play in that space the place we all know the infrastructure is in place, we’ve got extra water, we pay for that, which is why our returns are in all probability extra within the excessive single digits, mid-single digits, but very steady with decrease dangers because it pertains to local weather change. 

Picker: Are there particular areas inside farmland that you just see alternative proper now greater than different particular crops or areas or, or issues that you are looking at that you just suppose present the very best risk-return profile?

Minaya: I feel via rising our portfolio we discovered completely different areas of farmland – and it is attention-grabbing –  there’s completely different ranges of danger and return, proper? Your most conventional one is, I purchase land within the Midwest in Champaign, Illinois. And there may be sort of the bottom danger profile … it is the place a number of the finest land on the planet lies. What’s nice about this asset class is there is no vacancies. We do not have to fret about, “Can this be rented?” We receives a commission at first of the season so there aren’t any lease defaults. So it is a very, very low danger asset. Now, as we appeared into different components of agriculture, like vineyards, and went to locations like California and mentioned, “OK, there isn’t a extra acreage to be constructed right here. It is not allowed.” The demand for wine consumption goes up and what we’re seeing within the demographics. Our skill, then to have a look at issues like vineyards then took us from a mid-single-digit return to a low double-digit return. Little bit extra danger, as a result of now you’ve got acquired a bit bit extra capex to take a position, however issues like vineyards turned very enticing. Almonds was one other one the place we mentioned, “OK, here is an finish crop that’s rising in demand, as a result of the demand is from Asia.” So we will be in a spot like California, the place I feel we are the third-largest almond grower on the planet, the demand is coming from Asia, so we are able to tie to that publicity of a rising demand, rising markets in rising markets in locations like China, in India, but we’re doing it via a really secure funding within the U.S. These are the sort of issues that we discovered actually enticing.

Picker: As an institutional investor in farmland, you’ll be able to receive principally a coupon or a yield from lease from the farmers who lease from you. And you then are also in a position to generate returns via capital appreciation. What about [the] common investor? Is there a manner for anybody who’s watching this to get entangled on this asset class, particularly as a diversifier and inflation hedge that you just talked about earlier?

Minaya: Sure, I feel the primary manner that traders get publicity to it and it is a very boring manner, if you concentrate on our steadiness sheet which gives assured earnings via annuities, a variety of that is embedded within the diversification of that asset class. We have seen what’s occurred now with the Safe Act and the concept that you will see extra assured earnings or secured earnings in 401(okay)s – very boring – however that is the diversification that performs into, provides you entry to some of these asset lessons. That being mentioned, Leslie, sure, that is nonetheless very a lot in institutional arms. We simply launched final 12 months our first open-ended fund that gives extra liquidity. It is now out there in additional retail channels and particularly within the U.S. and U.S. retail, U.S. excessive internet price channels. So once more, when you return to actual property, that is the way it began, personal arms, extra institutional arms, you began seeing it extra within the wealth channels. Finally, you noticed REITs, public REITs. You are beginning to see that occur in agriculture. Once more, that is a part of what we love – the truth that it is broadly out there, extra inefficient, provides us extra returns. That liquidity is coming and the completely different automobiles are coming behind it.

— Ritika Shah contributed to this text

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